Brandon Barnum - Lessons Of A Serial Entrepreneur
After 10x'ing his income from 20k to 200k in 18 months as a single dad, Brandon Barnum dedicated his life to empowering others to grow their income, influence, and impact. As a serial entrepreneur, he's created 10 different tech platforms, and led the development of the world's first personality-based AI for sales. Known as the "King of Referrals", Brandon has devoted his life to helping people thrive through connection and community. He's the CEO of HOA.com and the bestselling author of the Raving Referrals book series. He is on a mission to create a world where business grows through love, trust, and service.
In this episode, you will be able to:
- Discover how AI is revolutionizing real estate investment and gain a competitive edge in the market.
- Uncover the secrets to building lasting financial freedom through savvy real estate investments.
- Learn how to maximize your income and unlock the potential of vacation rental properties.
- Explore innovative ways to create a sense of community and harmony within HOAs.
- Master the proven strategies for successful real estate investing and take your portfolio to the next level.
The key moments in this episode are:
00:00:00 - Helping Real Estate Agents and Mortgage Lenders
00:09:41 - Creating Unity Through Community
00:12:41 - The Value of HOAs
00:16:09 - AI in HOAs
00:20:54 - Embracing Change
00:24:49 - The Power of AI in Business
00:29:58 - How to Connect with Brandon
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Full Transcript:
Brandon Barnum
I've helped over 250,000 real estate agents through my tech platforms and, you know, thousands and thousands of mortgage lenders, too. And when I look at Community, what I see is that as human beings, we feel more disconnected now than ever. Like, we're more connected technically, right, because we have more connections online in this kind of fake digital world. But yet in the real world, people feel more disconnected than ever.
Mike Swenson
Welcome to the Real Freedom show, where we inspire you to pursue your passion to gain time and financial freedom through opportunities in real estate. I'm your host, Mike Swenson. Let's get some real freedom together. Hello, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Reality Real Freedom. That's Real estate leverage Freedom, where we talk about different ways that people can get into gain time and financial freedom through different opportunities in real estate. Whether you're coming from outside of real estate looking to get into a side hustle, or whether you're inside of real estate looking to build your income, maybe for retirement or passive income in the future. This is a spot for you. If you want to go check us out, go to our website, Freedom Through Real Estate Dot com. That's Freedom through Real Estate Dot com. A lot of great resources, videos, tools, all of our past episodes are in there for you to kind of find a path, find somebody that you connect with, find somebody that has a story or parts of a story that inspire you to be able to build your financial freedom through real estate. That's what we're here for. So today we've got Brandon Barnum. Brandon is the CEO of HOA.com and also known as the king of referrals, author of the bestselling book Raving Referrals. And we are here to have a great conversation just talking about communities and the future of real estate. And so we're so excited to have Brandon here. Welcome to the show.
Brandon Barnum
Thanks, Mike. Appreciate you having me. This could be fun.
Mike Swenson
Well, before we get started, why don't you just share a little bit about your background and we'll go from there.
Brandon Barnum
Okay. Yeah, you know, I. I got came up in the real estate world. My mother was a real estate broker, and I got started, honestly, I. I found out in college you don't have to be married to have a kid. And so I had a son at the age of 22, and at 24, I was a single dad. And I was only making 20 grand a year at that point, so I had to make. I ended up getting into the mortgage industry and had somebody mentor me in the art and science of what I now call raving referrals. And I was able to 10x my income from 20,000 a year to $200,000 a year within about 18 months. And so real estate is the area that I love. There's so many opportunities for people to create financial freedom through real estate, more so than really any other asset class, in my opinion. And I'm just excited to be here and really talk about the future of community because this is where we spend most of our time, especially that most people live and work at home. And so, you know, real estate is such a powerful asset creator and wealth builder that I'm excited for this conversation.
Mike Swenson
Before we kind of get into the, you know, the kind of the community aspect would love to hear on the mortgage side, you talked about being able to really help people with the largest asset purchase for many of them in their lives. Being able to, even if it's just their primary home, right. Building wealth, being able to earn some equity as homes, appreciate, you know, financing rental properties, that sort of thing. Would love to hear just a little bit of your perspective or a little bit of, you know, kind of your experience in being able to help people with that because the mortgage process is such an important piece of real estate to be able to acquire properties.
Brandon Barnum
Well, and one of the reasons that I love real estate in this investment class is because through mortgages you can put down 10% and now you're gaining on appreciation on an asset that's 10 times what you've actually invested into the property. So if you're buying a half million dollar house and you put down $50,000, you're gaining appreciation on an asset worth $500,000. And so there's nothing like it. I bought my first house at 24 years old, and you know, that house that I paid $110,000 for, I sold a decade later for $185,000. And so, you know, there's not many assets that you can have that opportunity while you're also taking advantage of and living in the asset itself. So I've had so many clients. Back when I was in the mortgage business, I saw so many people build incredible wealth through real estate. And I would have investors that would have 5, 10, 20, 50 properties that they would manage, and the wealth that they were able to create is unparalleled.
Mike Swenson
Well, that's one of the things that I tell people is like in your, your example there a $50,000 purchase, let's say over the year, two or three, you know, that, excuse me, $500,000 purchase know, goes up to $550,000. That lender is not going to be like, hey, now that you're selling this property for a $50,000 profit, we'd actually like part of that back or we'd like you to share some of that with us. Like that's the beauty of. Is it like you mentioned putting 10% down, $50,000 down, you know, being able to make $50,000 in equity. And that bank or that lender is not going to ask for that, some of that profit. They're not asking to split profits or let's go halvesies together. No, you get all of that back. And so that's where real estate investing or even I should just say purch, you know, long term. Now we bought in a, in a market where right before the crash and so we were underwater for a while, that stuff happens, but we held onto the property and over time that stuff tends to work its way back. So talk to us a little bit about HOA.com and kind of your, your future, your vision for, for real estate into the next generation.
Brandon Barnum
Well, and I want to add one thing, Mike, and then let's do that. But you think about some of the different types of properties that you can buy. And these days you not only have the long term rentals, but you've got short term rentals. I was just with a buddy of Min night and he's got a property that he fixed up right at fix and flip, but instead of flipping it, he flipped it into an Airbnb and he was just telling me that he's got it rented. He made $4,500 last month just on short term rentals. Right. So he's got a property that. Yeah, he put some, some capital into the property initially, but now it's a cash engine. It's like an ATM for him. So there's different types of asset classes. The other one that I think is really interesting and underutilized is V vacation properties. How many of us love to go on these expensive vacations every year? Well, what if you could buy a property? I've got another buddy who bought a property over in Hawaii and it's a condo beachfront. He and his wife go there every year and they spend a couple of weeks a couple times a year. And when he's not there, it's rented out and making money for him. So if you think about your lifestyle these days, there's ways that you can earn income and cash flow off of your properties are new that a lot of folks that have been in the game a long time, haven't necessarily considered. So that's one of the reasons I love real estate. There's just so many opportunities. But anything you want to say there before we talk about the future of community?
Mike Swenson
Yeah, I was just going to say, I think for a lot of people, you know, you may see stories of these investors that have dozens and dozens of properties or hundreds of doors or whatever that might be. But it doesn't have to look that way. It can just be as simple as, I have my property and yeah, maybe I pick up a vacation property, you know, and so that momentum continues to build once to get started doing something. And so even if it's just going from renter to homeowner, right. That's a huge, huge first step. And then that momentum can build off of that. And so for people listening that may feel a little bit overwhelmed, like, hey, I don't have the resources to pick up a property every year or whatever these, you know, hot trends that real estate investors have, it doesn't have to be that. It's just what's the next most logical step for you? And that momentum continues to build. So, yeah, that's all I was going.
Brandon Barnum
To add, say, too, like, if you're, if you're not yet a real estate investor and you want to be at something that you're interested in, I think the real estate investment groups that, that take place in every community are a great place to get plugged into because you can go scout for opportunities. And even if you don't have cash to put in the deal yourself, you can find an opportunity where somebody else will be your backer and your partner. And now you can get in the game and start making some money, but also grow your education. So, you know, I really applaud what you're doing with your site too, because it's so important for people to have education. And the scariest deal is your first deal, right? For sure, you don't know what you don't know, but you just got to get in the game, man. Get past your fear. Get somebody that can coach and mentor you and partner up so that you can get in the game and start changing your life.
Mike Swenson
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Brandon Barnum
Yeah, so at hoa.com, we're creating unity through community. As you see behind me, if we're on video, but it's really the future of community. When I look at the world, I've been in this real estate game for 28 years, years now. You know, I've helped over 250,000 real estate agents through my tech platforms and, you know, thousands and thousands of mortgage lenders too. And when I look at community, what I see is that as human beings, we feel more disconnected now than ever. Like, we're more connected technically, right, because we have more connections online in this kind of fake digital world. But yet in the real world, people feel more disconnected than ever. So we're on a mission to change that. Yeah, we're bringing AI to hoas and you know, we're on a mission to create more, better transparency because a lot of homeowners and investors feel like they pay a lot of money into their HOA dues and they don't know where it goes. So we've got to improve the transparency, we've got to improve the communication from the HOA board down to the community so they know what's going on. And then also the politics and the policing are two other issues that we're out to solve. The politics, people feel like the board member thinks he's the President of the United States and, you know, operates this little fiefdom. And then the policing, it feels like there's rules for the, but not for me. So we're on a mission to change all of that. But one of the most important things that we're focusing on is this whole unity through community mission and vision. And what we love doing is helping communities Come together so that people actually know their neighbors. So we have a platform for professionals who serve. Homeowners and realtors, for example, will do community impact events. They'll partner up with the boards, and they'll do a ice cream social or a barbecue or, you know, we have about 100 different campaigns that are turnkey, plug and play. We've got the guides that walk you through everything you need to do. And recently, I got to go attend one of the barbecues that was happening near my house, and a real estate agent and a mortgage lender had put this on. They had done it on a Saturday afternoon and brought out about 50 of the homeowners in the community that they were serving. And it was so cool because when I showed up, and I'm, you know, seeing the moms listening to the music, just dance and laughing, having a good time. The dads are playing kickball. The kids are playing. Sorry, dads are playing cornhole. The kids are playing kickball and basketball. But the coolest part for me is I looked at every single person in the park, and not one person was on their cell phone. Everybody was just connected. And, you know, that's the world that we grew up in. Right. And so that's what we want to bring that back so people actually get to know their neighbors and do life with the people that they live next door to.
Mike Swenson
Well, and, yeah, regardless of where you live, whether you're a renter, whether you're a homeowner, whether you're an investor, whatever that might look like, whatever type of investment, yeah, we can all agree about creating community with people. And then, too, like I think about associations, there's. There's so many good things that happen as a result of having a good association. Like you mentioned, you know, I think a lot of times we hear the horror stories. We don't hear the. The good things that happen. You know, I think about my first purchase, you know, was a. Was a townhouse in a. In a complex. We had an association. And for me, there was a lot of value of knowing that, you know, the exterior, the property is taken care of, the roof's taken care of. As a homeowner, like a new homeowner, I don't have to. To worry about that stuff as much. You know, we had a very effective association when we had some ice dams that had. Had built up. The association takes care of that. Right. They hired it out, took care of it. Nothing I had to do. They. That a lot of the regular maintenance stuff was taken care of. Snow removal, fantastic. Job. And so I think, you know, we. We maybe hear just that small snippet of issues that come up. But yeah, the HOA is fantastic. We would have community events together. And so there's just a lot of really great things that can happen. And I think to be successful in what you're doing, you want to be able to create good community, you want to have good neighborhood relationships wherever you're living. Because it's a whole lot better to be able to be nice to each other and to be able to get along with each other than bickering and arguing with each other over stuff that happens, right?
Brandon Barnum
That's right, Absolutely. And, you know, the thing about homes in HOAS too, is they are worth 5 to 6% more on average. So as an investor, that's a smart bet, right? You know, that the community is going to be well kept up and there's not going to be pink houses next doors and trucks on blocks. So you're going to have a place that people are going to want to live in and that increases the appreciation faster.
Mike Swenson
So I'm just curious, you know, like from somebody inside of real estate, this opportunity, you know, came to you to be able to, to work in this role. What were some of the things for you? Because I know there's a lot of people inside of real estate that are looking for great jobs and great opportunities. And for you, obviously this is a huge opportunity. But talk about from a human perspective, as you know, Brandon working in his previous job, working in his previous opportunity, something like this comes along. What is it that was really appealing to you for this type of role?
Brandon Barnum
Well, the full disclosure, I created the whole company, right? So I'm the founder, it's my vision, and I had sold. This is my 10th tech platform that I built over 28 years. So I've been in this space a long time, created an AI platform back in 2019, back when we had to hire an IBM Watson engineer to create the code because there was no OpenAI that you could just plug and play an API. And anyway, so it's been fun and fascinating. We created this company as the homeowneralliance.com initially, and our whole vision was to connect homeowners to professionals that they can trust. And along the way, I was able to acquire the domain hoa.com and that changed everything. Because when you think of Homeowner alliance, it's about helping homeowners bond together and then have bulk purchasing power. We're out to create the AAA for homeowners, right, because you Think about aaa. You call AAA if something goes wrong. Well, that's what we want to provide. And then also you're able to get deals and discounts because of all of the bulk buying power. So. So that was our original mission and the way we. We learned a lot of lessons. We acquired the hoa.com domain and now we're bringing AI to HOAs. Because about 80% of what HOA boards manage can be automated through AI these days. And everybody is hearing it. AI is changing the world. It absolutely is. There are industries that won't exist five, ten years from now. I'm convinced of it. But the reality, the good news is it's going to free us all up to be able to do what we love to do and have more time where we're not doing the routine tasks and we get to be more creative as human beings, which is what we're created for.
Mike Swenson
So.
Brandon Barnum
So that's, you know, for me, I created this future, and that's what I love about it. It wasn't somebody else's dream that I stepped into. I believe that everybody needs to have a vision for their life. I think you should be doing life by design, whereas a lot of people live life by default. They don't necessarily have a vision for what they're here to create and do, and they're just going through the motion, and that's okay. But I would suggest, if you're listening right now and you haven't already done it, create 101 goals for yourself. What is it that you. Where do you want to be three years, five years from now? What experiences do you want to have, what people you want to meet? And I learned this from my mentor, Mark Victor Hanson. I was just with him yesterday. He's the author of Chicken Soup for the Soul. And he challenged me to do this 21 years ago, and it shaped my life because I got crystal clear. These days, I have hundreds of goals, and I have them all written, and I have goals through the year 2050, and everything I want to do and accomplish and experience. And once you do that and you put it down and it's written and you start really putting your spirit into it, it's amazing what happens. So that's one of the biggest things, is live life by design. Get clear on what you want to create, and you'll see it happen quickly.
Mike Swenson
We blew the roof off of this conversation. Now I'm excited to talk more about this because, number one, you mentioned your 10th tech platform, launching tech platforms and then creating something out of nothing. Right. Seeing a vis of what you saw, an opportunity out there in the market and being able to capitalize on that. I shouldn't say capitalize, because that's maybe not the right word. Cause I think that sometimes people see that as to get their own benefit, but it's not. It's about helping others and creating something more, something bigger than yourself. So excited to hear that. And I think for people listening to hear 10 different tech platforms you've gone through, that you've done, you've been in multiple different types of roles. And then creating this opportunity, seeing something in the market and saying, hey, I want to be able to go create a change myself. That's amazing. So I was actually an entrepreneurship major in college quite a while ago, but at the same time, like, it's. It's seeing that creating something out of nothing or, you know, putting something there that wasn't there previous, that's so fascinating to me.
Brandon Barnum
My first. My best college professor, I have a marketing degree. And he said, you've got to look at the future with new eyes and see the opportunities and create the future you want to live in. And that's so true. And my first tech platform was back in 1997. I was in the mortgage business. I'm like, how am I going to stand out from every other mortgage lender? And at that point, real estate wasn't very much online there. There weren't. Most of the big real estate companies didn't even have a website. If they did and they had listings, it would be one exterior photo. And I said, this is silly. I want to be able to sit at home in my underwear and shop online for homes. And so that's what I created. It was kind of an early version of Zillow back in Portland, Oregon, where I lived. It was called the Portland Online Home Buyer's Guide. And I would feature different listings. And it allowed me add value to the realtors that I wanted to win business from. So I gave first, which is a core concept that I teach in the raving referral system, is give first. Right? Add value to everybody you can. And through that process, I attracted buyers. I was able to refer back to them. And once I did that, then I was playing a game that nobody else was playing. So that was my first tech platform. Then I created cyber mortgages and on and on. And my last was called refer.com and we built that up to 5 million members and 250,000 realtors, and then exited that in 2019. And that's when we Started the Homeowner alliance, which became hoa.com so it's amazing when you can have a vision and you can take it from nothing. It's an idea in your mind, but you pour your heart and your soul and your passion in it. You socialize it, you share it with other people and you got to have great mentors, people that can guide you. But nowadays it's easier, cheaper and faster than ever to create technology. Like there's so many ways that you can do it quickly and you can be up and running in 30, 60, 90 days where 28 years ago we had custom code, everything. So it's a fun world to live in. And you know, if you're listening now and you've got an idea, go make it happen.
Mike Swenson
I think back to my first time full time in real estate was 2014. I joined a large residential team. Is a team that had been around for a while and when they first started to be able to go view homes, you went to the brokerage office, office and went and looked through a big book, right? That's how you found out about properties. And so you just think about like speed to purchase. Now there's so many things that happen. You know, even just being able to go to a portal, upload your documents right, from a lending process versus having to like print out copies and things like that. Like we are able to do so much more so quickly. And yeah, I think when you, you mentioned about, you know, AI taking over the world and, and changing a lot of things, we, we naturally might feel, feel fear towards that or like you mentioned, you know, jobs going away as a result of it. But the reality is, is it opens up and unlocks so much more potential. Even you had mentioned, you know, HOAS, you know, 80% of the work that they do can be replaced by technology. What can you now spend time doing that you didn't enjoy doing? Because AI is kind of unlocked those opportunities. There's, there's a lot of cool stuff. And so I think for people that are hesitant towards AI technology, we should be talking about what more can you do now? Because AI is taking care of the stuff that maybe you didn't want to do anyhow. Right?
Brandon Barnum
Well said. I mean, that's exactly it, right? If you could do anything in the world, what would it be? Right? If you could spend your day doing what you love, what you felt like you were created to do, what would that be? I think a lot of people work in jobs that they hate and maybe they invest in real estate thinking one day, they'll break free of it. Well, what if you started that now? What have you broke free now? And. And really get intentional about living the life that you want to live. And it's. There's no reason you have to wait. You just have to, number one, get clear on what it is that you want. Write it down and then go after it. And you know you can change your life instantly, but it takes that vision. First and foremost, you've got to know what you want. I ask people all the time, what do you want? And I'm amazed how often I hear people say, well, what I don't want is. And I'm like, I didn't ask you what you don't. Whatever you put energy into is going to expand. If you put energy into what you don't want, you're going to get more of what you don't want. So focus on what you do want. Get crystal clear on it. Spend time every day. I have an app where I've used an AI to create my future self that speaks to me from the future and talks about the life that I've created in the future. And I start my day that way. I've already listened to it. It's about seven minutes. I've already listened to it twice today. And so that future pulls you forward and you design your life.
Mike Swenson
So.
Brandon Barnum
So question is, what life are you designing?
Mike Swenson
Not just simply doing the things that I don't want to do means that I'm doing things that I am okay with doing. You know, instead of creating that life that I want, it's just, here's what I don't want to do. Let me tell you about the things I don't want to do. And just do the other stuff. Right.
Brandon Barnum
Well, and figure out what you do want to do. Right. Again, if money were no object, what would you be doing? Start from that place and just allow yourself to dream. And sometimes it's for the first time because I think people always look from where they're at at instead of where they could be. So take the blinders off, think about where you want to be and start from that question of if I had a magic wand, what life would I live?
Mike Swenson
I know. Just because AI is such a hot topic and we kind of touched on it a little bit. You had mentioned about past experience tech platforms. Obviously you've talked about AI helping in your HOA stuff. So talk about for somebody that's going through it, implementing AI into your business, implementing in it into what you're sharing with your communities. That you're working in. How do you go through that process of getting AI to be able to help you? I'd love to just kind of hear your journey a little bit here of how you've been doing that.
Brandon Barnum
Yeah, there's so many ways that AI can help you. I mean, you know, starting to write copy, for example, for a website. If you have any question, ask an AI, whether it's chat, GPT or grok or whatever engine you want to use. I was just talking to a buddy last night, and I had introduced him to AI about 60 days ago, and he was really reluctant. He's like, no, I don't know. That's not. That's not for me. But I was just asking him about his business, and he was telling me some of the challenges. He's like, man, I've got to write this employee handbook. I said, oh, really? Okay, tell me about that. What is it that you want to do? Oh, I need to write an employee handbook for such and such. So as we're talking, I literally used AI to create the employee handbook. And I emailed it to him within about 60 seconds. And I. I said, why don't you take a look at what I just sent you that's in your inbox. Well, it opened his eyes. It opened his mind, and it changed everything. And I was with him last night. He's like, oh, my gosh, this has changed my life. I use AI for everything now. And he showed me he had the ChatGPT mobile app, and he was talking to his agent that he's trained all about his business. So that's one of the things that you can do. You can custom program and guide your AI agents, agent, to really understand your company, your business. That's what I do, is it understands what we're doing. We're using it. Let me tell you what we're using AI with on the community side. We're taking phone calls from homeowners. Our AI knows all the CC and rs, the bylaws, all the rules and regulations within the communities. It understands the architectural review process. And when a homeowner has a question because they want to do an improvement to their house and they're not sure where to go, they want to talk to somebody, especially if they're over 40 or over 50, they want to have a phone call, a conversation. Well, our AI will actually talk that homeowner through the conversation. We've taken over 10,000 phone calls so far. On average, those calls last 3 minutes and 39 seconds. So the homeowner is able to get the answer they want quickly 78% of the time. It doesn't even require a human being to get involved and help that homeowner. Right. The AI is able to solve it. We'll text them links to the page they need to go to to fill out the form to make the request. And what that does is, number one, it improves the satisfaction for the homeowner. They get the answers that they want quickly, so it reduces their frustration. They're happy campers. Number two, it reduces the load on the HOA board or the community management company. Company, because the board is all volunteers and the community managers are overworked and underappreciated. So now we're reducing the demand on them. Oftentimes they're not taking the calls live and they're not answering the emails quickly, which leads to the homeowners being frustrated. So we solve that problem for everyone using AI, and that's here in early 2025. Imagine where that's going to be three years from now.
Mike Swenson
I mean, even 12 months ago. You know, just thinking about how far we've come in 12 months, you kind of look back and you see, oh, my gosh, there's been so much that's been implemented already with AI, so many ways that people have used it, and we're just beginning. It's that that learning is going to happen faster and faster and faster and faster as we go. And so, you know, what took 12 months now, you know, 12 months into the future, we're going to be 10x ahead of where we were in terms of AI or even more. And so, yeah, it's exciting to hear about the future possibilities.
Brandon Barnum
We're on an exponential curve and it's only going to accelerate faster. And so if you've been resistant, if you're listening right now and you haven't started using I yet, do it. Ask the question. You know, I was just with my mentor, Mark Victor Hansen, yesterday, and he has a book called Ask the bridge from your dreams to your destiny. And this book is all about asking yourself, asking others, and asking God. Right? And when I was with he and his beautiful wife Crystal yesterday, and we were having this conversation about the power of asking for what we want, because that's the. The gap for most people is they're not asking themselves the right questions. You know, you want to ask for the life you want rather than the life that you don't want. And when you start asking, the answer comes to you. Well, you can use AI to ask a lot of the questions and it's amazing how quickly you'll get the answers. More and more people are starting to trust AI, right? And so the the adoption rate is going to increase. All businesses are realizing that you've got to have AI infused throughout your company company or you're going to be less relevant in the future. Because it's going to, it is increasing customer care and satisfaction, improving communication, making business easier for the owners, and really improving everything.
Mike Swenson
Gosh, there's so many, so many great things, Brandon, that we've talked about, we could continue to talk about for a long time in the future. But thank you so much for coming on and sharing the journey that we took in just a few short minutes. For people that want to reach out to you, that want to learn more about HOA.com want to learn more about what you're doing. We didn't even really even discuss raving referrals, your book. But tell us, how can people get a hold of you?
Brandon Barnum
Yeah. So obviously if you are an HOA board member or you live in an HOA, you can go to HOA.com and find everything that you need there. If you're looking to connect with me, you can go to Brandonbarnham.com you'll see my book. I have four different books on referrals, one generic and then one for mortgage professionals, realtors and dentists. So if you're one of those professionals, then come take, take a look at that and go to brendanbaram.com you'll see some other tools and stuff that I like to give away and impact people with.
Mike Swenson
Well, thank you so much for sharing. Exciting to hear what you're doing and excited to see where you continue to grow in the future. So best of luck to you as HOA continues to grow and the rest of what you're doing.
