Brian Tibbs - Multi-Million Net Worth From $9.20/Hour

On the surface, you can say that Brian Tibbs was able to retire from his job as a missionary, where he and his wife Jill averaged making $9.20/hour over the course of 16 years. However, it was due to his investing in real estate before that time that helped him build the momentum over those 16 years overseas to make it possible. In a 3 year period, he got married, quit his job, sold 60% of his real estate and moved to Guatemala with his wife. During their time away, they built a team of 380 leaders that planted 96 churches in 11 countries, and raised over $20 Million for their cause. With their limited income, Brian developed the HACKER method, which allowed him to build his multi-million net worth with an extremely limited income, and is focused on helping others do the same.

In this episode, you will be able to:

• Learn how Brian was able to achieve financial freedom through strategic real estate investing while serving overseas making $9.20/hr.
• Discover beginner-friendly house hacking strategies for successful real estate investing.
• Uncover the benefits of buy and hold investing for long-term wealth creation.
• Find out how to create a winning real estate investment team for maximum success. 

The key moments in this episode are:
00:00:00 - Starting Real Estate Journey
00:01:41 - Building Wealth Overseas
00:08:23 - Learning from Mistakes and Taking Action
00:11:12 - Answering the Call
00:15:07 - Real Estate Journey
00:18:41 - Getting Started
00:23:15 - Risks of Flipping Properties
00:25:43 - The Hacker Method and Community
00:28:58 - Connecting with Brian 

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Brian Tibbs
And so I paid a very small amount down, you know, 3%, 5% or whatever, whatever it was down to get that first property. The second property, like I said, I borrowed $10,000 for the down payment. And then the third property, I worked off the down payment. And the fourth property, I traded up and so used a little bit of equity that I had built in one of the properties to upgrade, basically. And so, yeah, so that's how I did it. Now, where did I find them? I decided I was going to buy real estate. That's it. And then I went out hunting and I didn't stop until I found what I want.

Mike Swenson
Welcome to the Real Freedom show where inspire you to pursue your passion to gain time and financial freedom through opportunities in real estate. I'm your host, Mike Swenson. Let's get some real freedom together. Welcome everybody, to another episode of Real Freedom. That's Real Estate Leverage Freedom, where we talk about different ways that you can build time and financial freedom through opportunities in real estate. I am your host, Mike Swenson. If you're wanting to get started on your real estate investing journey, check out our website, Freedom Through Real Estate Dot com. That's Freedom Through Real Estate Dot com. Lots of great content on their articles, stories. Obviously, our podcast episodes are up there as well, really with the goal to inspire you, hear a story resonate with a story, get inspired by a story so that you can take action and build your own space in real estate. And so today, super excited. Coming from Idaho via Arizona, we've got Brian Tibbs here. Brian's background really was, started building wealth, acquiring some real estate, and then moved overseas and spent a lot of time overseas as a missionary. Was able to kind of build and gain financial freedom through not earning much money, being able to save, and kind of an untraditional route. And so really, if you're in your spot right now thinking like, I've got to make more money or I've got to do this, I've got to do that. Hopefully, Brian's story can help inspire you. So here to talk about building wealth and also being overseas and doing all that at the same time. Welcome to the show, Brian. We're excited to have you.

Brian Tibbs
Thank you so much, Mike. It's. It's an honor, really to be here with you. And I'm excited to talk about real estate leveraged freedom. I love that tagline. That's, that's fantastic. And it's absolutely possible. And if I can do it, anybody can do it. So I'm excited to talk about that.

Mike Swenson
Start about your background, you know, would love to hear kind of, you know, before you got into real estate, before you did anything real estate related, like what kind of got you interested or got you excited to learn a little bit more, to hear how that journey started. And we'll just take it from there.

Brian Tibbs
Yeah, I grew up in a. I grew up in a family of, of. Well, my dad was a small business owner, and his dad was a small business owner. And so I grew up in that environment where, you know, the understanding or the expectation is you can just create your own income. And so I got to watch that. Now, my, my dad wasn't involved in real estate as when I was growing up, but I do remember when I was in my late teens, my dad and my grandfather went in together and partnered to buy a duplex. And that was so strange. Like, why would you buy a house, let stranger live in it, hope they pay you the rent, go unclog their toilet for them at midnight, and the only person guaranteed to get paid is the bank. I mean, I, I just like, are you, are you kidding me? And they took an opportunity, thankfully, to really sit me, sit me down and explain how leveraged real estate can build wealth if you're methodical about it and dedicated to it and, and you don't have to be very smart or talented, you just got to kind of put one foot in front of the other. And so kind of sitting there listening to my dad and my grandfather, I decided, okay, I'd like to do this. I was 16. So when I was 19, I was going to college and I was faced with having to go rent an apartment. And I was like, why am I going to give away literally all of my paycheck so that I can live in a crappy house with all these guys that are not going to take care of it, you know, that kind of thing. So I decided, I'm just not going to pay rent. I'm going to do what my grandpa did, my dad, I'm going to buy a duplex. I'm going to live in one side, I'm going to rent out the other. And today we call that house hacking. Back then, we, we called it live in one side, rent out the other. And, and that that was the start of it. And then I began to recognize that everybody that I knew that was wealthy either got wealthy through real estate or built their wealth and put it in real estate. So I decided, okay, I don't really know all the ins and outs, but I'm going to be A real estate investor. So that was the beginning of it.

Mike Swenson
It's so interesting. Like, you know, obviously I worked my way into real estate, you know, later, but, you know, going back, would love to have done something like that. And especially for people that are, you know, in. In a spot of life where that works, obviously, I recommend, you know, house hacking or something like that if you're going to college. Yeah. Think about that entrepreneurially. I've got a buddy of mine where his daughter's getting ready to go to school in the fall, and so they're looking to go buy a property. Right. To be able to rent it out. And so, you know, obviously when that spot of life passes you by, you don't have that opportunity anymore, so you look for the next opportunity. But I think that's the key is learning to take action. And that momentum builds and grows over time to where you can take another action and another action or a bigger action. So. Awesome. So that's. That's kind of how you got started. How did that continue to grow from there?

Brian Tibbs
Yeah, so then I just decided, completely arbitrary, I'm going to add one more unit a year. And I didn't have an end date on that or anything like that. I was 19 years old at the time. So, okay, I got my first two. So that gets me through the age of 20. By the time I was 27, I had 10 units. And every single one of them was creatively. Now we call that creative financing. It was creative financing before there was a term. I just, like, I borrowed 10,000 from a friend. I bought a property from a guy, and I worked off the down payment, and he did sell or carry, basically. Then I did a trade for a duplex for a 4 plex. And I did all these things with. Literally, I only spent $2,500 of my own money for my first 10 units. I mean, I know that's hard to believe, but. And people say, well, the market's different now. Well, the market was challenging then. Rents weren't going up, property values weren't going up, at least in Boise, Idaho. And it wasn't a great time to invest. But if I hadn't like what you were saying, if I hadn't taken those steps, then I would not be where I'm at today. You have to get the game rolling. You have to let the compounding effects of appreciation and debt reduction and all that play play out. And that just takes time. So by the time I was 27, I. I had 10 units. And. And that 27 age is a, is an important mark because that's when I decided to give it all up and move overseas. So that was a major shift in my, in my trajectory at that point.

Mike Swenson
So curious in terms of finding those deals because obviously we want to know, how did you do that? Was it just through relationships and conversations? You're like, oh, this opportunity is available or this opportunity is available, or was it very intentional of I'm going to go talk to people, I'm going to go actively seek out my next deal? Or was it because you had a couple of deals, a couple of deals came across your desk. You know, how, how did that work?

Brian Tibbs
The first loan that I got, and I don't even know if it was an FHA loan or what it was, I was so young, I had no clue what I was signing, but I only paid $2,500 out of my pocket and my dad gave me four, $2,000. So I put $4,500 down. And I remember he had to deposit it. We had to wait for 60 days or something like that to prove it was mine. Some weird deal. And so I paid a very small amount down, you know, 3%, 5% or whatever, whatever it was down to get that first property. The second property, like I said, I borrowed $10,000 for the down payment. And then the third property I worked off the down payment and the fourth property I traded up and so used a little bit of equity that I had built in one of the properties to upgrade, basically. And so, yeah, so that's how I did it. Now where did I find them? I decided I was going to buy real estate. That's it. And then I went out hunting and I didn't stop until I found what I wanted to do. Now, what I found, I would never buy today because I've learned so much and I know so much more. But again, had I not bought those kind of loser deals, I wouldn't be where I'm at today. You know, Brandon Turner always says, even when you make a mistake, real estate is so forgiving, you're probably going to come out okay. And that was the case for my first few units, partially too, because I was buying in the late 90s and I began to sell out in the early 2000s with a huge run up in evaluations and before the big crash, so got a little bit lucky there too. A little bit lucky. But I was working for 10 years to get there, so, you know, it took a little while. Took a little while to get there.

Mike Swenson
I think for the people listening. Yeah, the key was I decided I was going to buy real estate. Right. Because so many times we're just listening to podcasts, trying to think about, I've got to make the perfect first step forward. And what you realize is that perfect first step doesn't exist and then didn't stop until you found it. Right. And so it's. Real estate's challenging, there's roadblocks, it's not easy to find deals. And I, I tell our investors now, like, we are looking for a needle in a haystack. If we, you know, ran across the next property and just decided to buy it, it's probably not a good deal. And so we're not going to move on to the next deal until we find the next deal. And it, and it feels like looking for a needle in the haystack. And it is because, you know, we're going to find better deals. And like you said, the deals that you bought today aren't the deals that you're going to buy in the future. And so in some ways, it's building that resume. It's learning what doesn't work so that you can recognize a good deal. How do you recognize a good deal? Probably by doing some not as great of deals to learn what, what looks really good on paper. For us, it was, you know, we had been working with investors for a long time, and we saw a deal where the numbers look better than anything we had seen. And we said, I think this is the deal that we're going to move forward with, with, with an apartment building. And so it's, it's doing the small things that work up to the big things. And so lots of great lessons there and just how you, how you shared your story.

Brian Tibbs
Yeah. And I love your advice to your audience where you're saying, just listening to podcasts now, obviously, yes, get educated and dig deep and seek out more and more information. But I used to use this with my, my missionary staff as well. Of if all you ever do is go to Sunday school and absorb information and then you never go use it, it's like spiritual. You're getting spiritually overweight. You're not moving and Brianing that energy. You're not using that knowledge. So if you're just sitting behind a desk listening to podcasts, you're getting knowledge fat, but you're not getting fit. You're not out there exercising and using that energy and using that knowledge that you've acquired to go do what you're trying to do. And if you don't take action. So I Mean, yeah, those first deals that I, that I bought, I wouldn't buy today, but I had no clue what I would be buying today. You have to go out and just like developing a relationship with something, you start a conversation, you say something that you can tell makes them upset, so you don't say that anymore.

Mike Swenson
Anymore.

Brian Tibbs
When you buy a property, you make a mistake. Oh, you don't not going to do that in again, but you're not going to learn that from a conversation like, like you and I, at least not at the level of detail that you need in order to be successful. So you have to, you have to start now.

Mike Swenson
We're at the spot in your journey talking about going overseas. So share that next step and how that changed things for you.

Brian Tibbs
Yeah, well, I was on my march to build my empire and that's really what I wanted to do. But I, I, I felt, you know, I don't know that I, that I felt guilty, but I just felt a, I felt like I needed to do something to make the world a better place and not just my own world. And so I answered a call to become a missionary. And I guess that's what I decided was the way I could answer this unsettlingness that was inside of me. So I was dating the girl who's now my wife at the time, and I thought that was going to be the end of that. I was going to lose my business, I was going to lose my real estate, I was going to lose everything. And I told her, I said, listen, I think I'm supposed to be a missionary, so I don't know if that means I'm moving to another country or going to some school somewhere or something. And she goes, oh, that's funny, I've always felt that too. So instead of us breaking up, we got married and a year later we moved to Guatemala sight unseen, with just what we could fit in two suitcases each. And we told ourselves, well, we could do this for a year, we could do anything for a year. And we ended up staying in later, moving to South America and staying in South America for 16 years. So, and then we finally retired from that and moved back to the US in 2021. And now I'm just real estate full time.

Mike Swenson
So talk about for those curious, you know, obviously I'm sure you've got so many great stories to talk about your journey, but for people just thinking about business and real estate, acquiring real estate, having such a different perspective, being a part of different countries, what have you seen in those other countries where you recognize maybe the opportunity that exists here that people aren't taking advantage of. Obviously, we have a lot of excuses of why I can't do something here, but maybe based on your journey and seeing different cultures and seeing different experiences, maybe some thoughts about what, what is good about the US or, you know, in terms of real estate.

Brian Tibbs
Yeah, there's, there's, you know, the phrase only in America. There's a lot of instances where that's a fair statement. And I'm not saying you can't make money in other cultures, but I tried and failed every time. And so I kind of came to the conclusion that the, the, the, the, the rhythm and the capacity for opportunity in the United States is unmatched unless you've got some sort of an advantage somewhere else. I only invest in the United States. There's opportunity everywhere. The system. So to boil it down, the system is built to support the capitalistic concept. The system is built for entrepreneurs. The system is built for invention. The system is built for two competing products to beat each other into a pulp, to get the best possible outcome for the consumer. It's built for that. And if you are able to do that, you will be handsomely rewarded. There's another phrase that I really like is that markets reward excellence with cash. And I've only found that to really be true in the United States. I'm not saying that doesn't exist in other places, but I've only found it to happen in the United States. You can be excellent in other cultures, but when the system is built to protect workers at all cost at the expense of the entrepreneur, it doesn't matter how excellent your product is, you've got things that are holding you back from being successful commercially. So, yeah, the United States is a unique place. Something else I always like to tell people is, you know, we've got this phrase in English, like this opportunity just fell in my lap. I really don't like that phrase. Because opportunities, in my opinion, don't fall in our lap. They actually pass by our line of sight. And if we don't recognize the opportunity, it's just going to keep right on going. If we do recognize it but we don't grab it, it's just going to keep right on going. If we recognize it and we reach out and we take it before somebody else can grab it there we have an opportunity to take advantage of an opportunity that didn't fall in our lap but came into our line of sight. You just have to learn how to identify those opportunities and then have the Guts to grab it and do something with it. That's the key for sure.

Mike Swenson
And I think you have to be willing to take that action when that opportunity comes because otherwise. Yeah, like you said, it just passes you by. So talk a little bit about your time overseas and your real estate journey. I mean obviously before you left you had, you know, 10 units. I think it was so kind of what happened real estate related during those 16 years that you guys were overseas.

Brian Tibbs
Yeah, so in that first year overseas I sold six of the 10, so I went down to four, actually paid those two duplexes off. So I paid those four units off. Just you know, I was work, I wasn't earning any income and so I had to rely on that to pay the bills and, and I just didn't want to have, you know, I don't want to be overextended while we were gone. And so then, so I sold off and then the 08 crash came and I just kind of held off and in 2009 jumped back into the market and began to buy and haven't haven't looked back since. And I always say that the best part about being overseas, it's actually a good thing that I was overseas because it forced me to build a team to do all the day to day work. And not that that didn't cause challenges or setbacks, but when I retired and came back to the United States in 2021, I had this machine, this cash printing equity creating machine that other people were managing. And so I've been able to slip into that and really be the deal acquisition guy, which is what lights my fire. And I get to do that full time for fun and let the team do all the property management and all that kind of stuff. So yeah, so we continue to acquire properties. We had 16 units when we came home, now we have 50. So I've been obviously doubling down and expanding the portfolio. All single family homes in the Boise, Idaho and the Phoenix market.

Mike Swenson
So in terms of your job overseas, I know sometimes missionaries have to raise support, sometimes they work for an entity where they get paid. So out of curiosity then kind of what part of your income was being taken care of with your rental properties versus what you had to kind of provide to be able to live the life that you wanted overseas.

Brian Tibbs
Yeah, well in the first few years the portfolio paid everything and we, we eventually after the first year we started our own nonprofit. I was the co founder and I was the CEO of for the entire 16 years. And our model was that all the staff that worked for the organization had to raise their own support. And in the beginning, I did raise support, but I gave it to all my early and early staff to get them off the ground. So I didn't pay to take a paycheck for the first three years, any, any money. And then slowly after that, we began to build our own base of donors because we felt like, you know, if we want this entity, there's going to need to be a CEO after me, and there's going to have to be a revenue stream to take care of that. Plus, you know, a worker is worth his wages. And so we decided that we would go ahead and start building support. That said, if you took the total number, the total amount of our W2 income from the nonprofit divided into the total hours that we worked those 16 years, we made $9.20 an hour for our work, which is a pittance. But we, we were very disciplined with that money, and we continued to take portion of that out and invest it. I wrote a book and I explained kind of the process that we used to build a multimillion dollar net worth on $9.20 an hour. And, and we did that over those 16 years. And, and we're able, we're able to, you know, financially free, whatever, however you want to define that, at the age of 44, having only earned $9.20 an hour. So that's kind of our, that's kind of our, our storyline and that. And I share that because if you're making, if you're listening to this and you're making more than $9 and 20 cents an hour, you can do it too, right? So there you go.

Mike Swenson
Well, I think, yeah, the key is, is, you know, start early. Right? And the phrase that we always used is, you know, what are the two best times to plant a tree 20 years ago and today? Right? So if you didn't get a chance to plant that tree 20 years ago, you can start today. And how many times do you hear the stories of people saying, oh, I wish, I wish I would have bought an 09. Well, 09 is gone. And so we're here in 2025. And so I'm sure if you find something that works in 2025 when we're sitting here talking in, you know, 2040, like, I really wish I would have bought in 2025. It is what it is. You've got to get started. And to your point, it's kind of like pushing a snowball down a hill, right? It's going to be slow to start, and then it's going to pick up speed. And, you know, I think the phrase you had used was printing a cash machine now. And that's because you started this journey a long time ago. And it has built momentum and more momentum. And then you've got a team of people and you're picking better properties than what you did. And so that snowball starts to gain momentum. And so you've got to start. And so, you know, it's, it's not a get rich quick, it's get rich over time and getting sharper and sharper and sharper and taking more and more action and grabbing those deals as they come your way.

Brian Tibbs
Yeah. Whenever somebody says, oh, if it was 2009, I'd be buying a house every week, I would say, you know, in 2009, if you were to pick up a newspaper, the last thing you would decide to do is invest in real estate. The world was on fire. And there were, there were articles coming out saying, this is the end of capitalism. Real estate will never recover. It's over, because these banks destroyed the market. And it's, you know, and so invest. I remember the first deal I bought in 2009. It was an auction, and there was only three bidders at the auction. And you could visibly see the seller panicking. And I ended up buying his lots for, for 80% off of what he paid, like, less than a year before. And, and I was nervous about that. I was getting townhome lots for $17,000 a piece, and I was nervous. I was like, is anybody going to rent these things if I have to sell them? Is anybody going to buy this stuff? And so to say that is, is to use the, you know, the hindsight thing, which is a fallacy. And then we come back to today. What are the headlines today? Oh, interest rates are going to be high forever. Real estate's way overpriced. It's unaffordable. Huh. That's interesting. That's the kind of stuff I was hearing back in 2009, which was the best time in the last 50 years to buy real estate. I'm buying right now. Do I know for sure it's going to work out? No, but my experience is that if you're not in the game, you're going to miss out at some point in the process. You just have to be smart, disciplined to find that needle in the haystack and pull the trigger and not ignore the headlines that are out there, but try to position yourself in a way to, again, to snatch an opportunity that everybody else is Crying, you know, the sky is falling. That's when you need to be out there looking for opportunities. Because the masses honestly are not very intelligent. They react after the problem, overcorrect, and then they don't act in time to take advantage of the opportunity. So don't, don't be a lemming, don't, don't follow the headlines, don't follow the crowd.

Mike Swenson
I know for us, we bought our first property right after we got married in 2007 and so we got to watch the value drop and, and that actually became our first rental because we said, well, we don't plan on living here for the next 10 years. It's going to take so that we, we don't lose our shirt on the sale. And so we said, what can we do? Turn it into a rental. And then we bought a short sale and fixed it up and gained a little equity in it. And it took time and eventually we sold that townhouse in 2021. So it took, you know, 14 years for that value to come back. But over time, mortgage goes down a little bit, rents go up a little bit, mortgage goes down a little bit, rents go up a little bit. And so it took that time to be able to kind of wipe that away. And then what can we do here? Okay, we pick up a short sale, fix it up, add some value to it, sell it. And so it's, you've got to be able to find ways to react to the market that you're in and there are ways to make money in these markets. You've just got to figure out how do I succeed in this market today to get to the next step and, and get to that next step. And so yeah, you had to adjust, but over time real estate's going to work in your favor.

Brian Tibbs
Yep, exactly. I mean there's no way we can for sure predict what's going to happen in the future. So what we have to do is the record of the past and look at long term trends and, and you know, if you do that on real estate, one thing that I always like to point out to people is don't look at real estate from one month to the next or one year to the next. Look at it over a 10 year span. I'm a buy and hold investor, so this maybe doesn't apply to flippers. There's some other risks associated with flipping, which is a great business. I know some people make a lot of money at that. But as a buy and hold investor, look at the trajectory over 10 years. The United States Census Every year since night or every decade since 1940 has recorded what the median household price is across the nation. And there's not a single decade from 1940 till 2020 where real estate didn't appreciate by at least 40% over a 10 year span. Now sometimes it would go down one year like 2009 was really bad, but from 2000 to 2010 it was up over 40% even with the 08 crash. So if you have a long term trajectory and if the, if history continues to repeat itself going forward, it's very little risk if you're, if you're a long term investor, even if you don't buy the perfect deal, right?

Mike Swenson
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Brian Tibbs
Yeah, so I, when, when I first came back I didn't have a lot to do and I had people super curious. Like you used to be a missionary and now you don't do anything. What do you, what are you doing right? And, and then they would ask me well how did you do this? How did you have build real estate portfolio to pay your bills? And I didn't really know how to answer it. And then I had one of my pastor friends ask me if I would teach him and I was like geez, I don't even know. Like it's all up in my head. It was an evolutionary process that changed over time. So I decided to sit down and kind of write out the steps and that turned into a book. So I wrote a book. It was called the Hack. It's called the Hacker Method. The Unexpected Investor's Guide to Building Wealth Even on Limited Income. It's available on everywhere online where you can get books. And then following that, I started a community. So it's The Unexpected Investor Community.com is where you can go get information about it and it's a community of people who have decided I want to get better returns. I want to create that financial freedom. I'm interested not just in real estate, but investing in general. And we have an awesome time challenging each other, teaching each other, supporting each other, doing coaching and doing one on one sessions, all that kind of stuff. And what I'm doing now is that the community and the book. And I'm also now raising money to buy bigger real estate projects. My latest one, we've closed the fund already, but we raised a million dollars to buy some sober living homes, which really appeals to me because it's something we're doing, doing good for some people who are really struggling and still investing in real estate. So yeah, so that's what, that's what we're doing. Like I said, we're up to 50 units in those two markets and continuing to grow.

Mike Swenson
Well, I know like, you know, the community is really where it's at because I hear people say, well, I can, you know, I can just find anything on YouTube. The hard thing is, is you don't know where in your journey that that piece of information is going to fit in. You might be listening to something that you need to hear 16 months from now and you don't apply it because it's not the right spot at the right time and that's where the communities come in, where it's, it's the right information at the right time or the right connections. You know, whether it's lenders, whether it's funding in different ways, there's, there's so many great benefits of those communities. So excited to see how you're, you know, helping people to be able to do that. Because yeah, whether you know, whether real estate is fully funding your life or whether it's partially funding it or whether it's, you know, just staying in your W2, building something for, you know, down the road, planting those seeds now, pushing that snowball down the hill now is going to lead to a lot of benefit in the future. So excited how you're, you're able to help people do that.

Brian Tibbs
It's, it's a lot of fun for me. And you just sparked a thought at one of my members. We were having a one on one call and he was like, I just, I got to get out of my W2. I'm just, I love it but I'm tired of it. I need to do something else. And he's already got multiple thousands of dollars of cash flow coming in from real estate. And we were able to have a conversation where he just needs to do a couple of small things to get him to where he's more than replacing his W2 income. And so he has a, I think the deadline is the end of this year and he's calling it the Brian the boats event where he's, he's out, right. And, and he's getting his real estate in order to. Where it's going to be able to pay his bills and, and that's going to be his financial freedom. We're going to have a party. Right. And so that kind of thing for me is so much fun for people to get the mentorship that they need, the encouragement, some tactical stuff, sure. But it's more, it's all up, up, up in here. Right. Just helping us all have the confidence to take the steps that we need to do to find that, to find that freedom. And then we get to spend our time how we want to, whether it's on a project we want to do or with our family or reconnect with friends or whatever is that we want to do. That's what we're trying to accomplish. So.

Mike Swenson
Well, thank you so much for coming on and sharing your journey. I know you mentioned your book, the Hacker Method, Unexpected Investor Community. Anything else in terms of like where people want to go to be able to reach out to you, how can they do so?

Brian Tibbs
Yeah, just the website, theunexpectedinvestor.com you can click on Connect. I'd love to sit and chat with you, just hear your story and see if there's a way that I can help you. I'm on social media, Unexpected Investor, all the different channels so you can find me there as well. Send a DM or just check out my content or whatever. Would love to connect with you.

Mike Swenson
Awesome. Well, thank you so much and best of luck to you as you continue to grow in the future.

Brian Tibbs
Thank you, Mike. And thanks for pouring into these people, helping them find their path to financial freedom. Love what you're doing.